America’s Best High School Model UN Teams: Top 1-5

by KFC on April 5, 2011

Mira Costa conquered challenges around the country including the worst snowstorm in decades in Chicago

Which high schools have the best Model UN team in America? The Best Delegate team decided to answer this question and devised a methodology to come up with our Top 25 Standings. The standings are based on results as of March 21, 2011 which allowed us to capture results from NHSMUN. The standings reflect only team performance at conferences and not the overall quality of a high school program (i.e. it does not measure if a program has a class or hosts a conference).

Here is the list of the top 1-5 high school Model UN teams. All of these schools have won multiple best delegation awards, but their resumes are highlighted by winning a large delegation award at the “Most Competitive” conferences in the nation that have taken place so far: Harvard HMUN, NHSMUN, Georgetown NAIMUN, U.Chicago MUNUC, U.Penn ILMUNC, and Berkeley BMUN. Check out which schools made the list!

America’s Best High School Model UN Teams: Top 1-5 Standings (as of 3/21/11)

#1. Mira Costa High School (California)

Mira Costa won delegation awards across the country

After winning Best Large Delegation at UCLA BruinMUN in the Fall, advisor Mr. Timberlake said his team was going to have to “kick it up at least two notches” if it was going to successfully compete against the best as they traveled around the nation. Their undefeated results speak for themselves: Best Large Delegation at Nationals NHSMUN, Best Large Delegation at Berkeley BMUN, and a stunning sweep of awards at U.Chicago MUNUC as Seychelles, Bahrain, and Estonia (they would have won Best Large if MUNUC gave out team awards). They were the only team to schedule and win Best Large Delegation at three of the seven “Most Competitive” conferences — the most in the nation– and their win at NHSMUN combined with dominating performances at the two largest conferences on the West Coast and the largest in the Midwest makes them Best Delegate’s choice as America’s Best High School Model UN team so far this year. The team will close out its season at UC San Diego’s TritonMUN.

#2. The Dalton School (New York)

Dalton has been undefeated in the past 21 conferences

Dalton ended last year by winning Best Large Delegation at UNA-USA MUN and didn’t miss a beat by going undefeated this year. In fact, Dalton has been undefeated in the past 21 conferences and most likely owns the longest active winning streak in the high school circuit. The team won Best Large Delegation at Harvard HMUN, Best Large Delegation at Rutgers RUMUN, Best Large Delegation at Princeton PMUNC, and Best Large Delegation at Cornell CMUNC. Dalton is listed under Mira Costa because Mira Costa’s total strength of delegation awards won — and exposure to national competition — was greater. Best Delegate will be curious to see where this year’s teammates end up in the future – Dalton alums were Secretaries-General at three of the five largest high school conferences this year: Alec Barrett at Harvard HMUN, Zach Stone Penn ILMUNC, and Sam Lichtenstein at both UNA-USA’s GCIMUN and Johns Hopkins JHUMUNC.

#3. West Windsor-Plainsboro High School South (New Jersey)

WWPS won the most delegation awards so far this season

West Windsor-Plainsboro High School South is one of few schools that are willing to ambitiously schedule multiple “Most Competitive” and “Large” conferences into its season. The team stepped up to the challenge by winning Best Large Delegation at U.Penn ILMUNC, Best Small Delegation at Georgetown NAIMUN, Best Small Delegation at Rutgers RUMUN, Outstanding Large Delegation at Princeton PMUNC, and Outstanding Large Delegation at Cornell CMUNC. They have the most delegation awards from the top 40 conferences in the nation that we analyzed and those wins clearly put them in the top five. They are listed under Dalton based off head-to-head results at PMUNC and CMUNC.

#4. University of Chicago Lab School (Illinois)

Chicago Lab won Best Large Delegation at NAIMUN

The well-traveled Chicago Lab team asserted itself in the Fall with the Diplomacy Award (Best Overall) at William & Mary WMHSMUN and then placed 4th in terms of total number of awards won at Harvard HMUN. But the team really shined when it traveled to the largest conference in the Western hemisphere — Chicago Lab captured Best Large Delegation at Georgetown NAIMUN against very tough comepetition. The strength of that victory gives the team a slight advantage in our standings over several teams that won major delegation awards or own a head-to-head win against Chicago Lab this year.

#5. Port Charlotte High School (Florida)

Port Charlotte dominated even in a rebuilding year

Despite being in a “rebuilding year” after losing sixteen decorated seniors, Port Charlotte dominated rivals Gulf Coast High School and Centennial High School early on to win the Burdell Cup (Best Overall) at Georgia Tech GTMUN. They then stepped up to national competition to win Outstanding Large Delegation at Georgetown NAIMUN and boosted its overall profile with a strong performance at Brown BUSUN and Outstanding Delegation (the top award) at Florida Gulf Coast’s SWFLMUN. Although Port Charlotte didn’t have an undefeated season, they can still claim to be one of the best teams in the nation.

Check out the rest of the standings with the Top 6-10Top 11-15, and top 16-25!

Congratulations to all the schools for their success so far this season, and good luck with conferences in April and May. We’ll be releasing our final 2010-11 season standings after all major conferences have taken place at the end of May.

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What do you think about the schools that made our Top 25? Let us know in the comments! We’ll also start an open thread to hear feedback on methodology on Friday.

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  • Timothy

    I went to PMUNC, and my school won Best Small. Dalton won Best Large, and WW-P South won Outstanding Large. This doesn’t make a difference in the P5 ranking, but I thought I should point it out so my team and WW-P South each get our respective recognition.

    • KFC

      Thanks for the clarification. Can you email your school name to kfc@nullbestdelegate.com? I just wanted to confirm the results for our end-of-year standings that will be released in May.

  • Timothy

    Wait I noticed our team wasn’t in the Top 10 (I thought it was but I guess not), sorry about the incorrect info on the Methodology post.

  • Marlo

    I went to WWP South years ago, 2002 grad, and was the president of MUN back then. I just want to say, for any WWP Southers reading the comments, that I could not be more proud. I have nothing but incredibly found memories of my HS MUN experience, in fact I still have a key-chain the younger students gave me my senior year. 2002 ended with us winning best large delegation at ILMUNC, and I am so happy you all have continued (and seemingly stepped up) the tradition. In my day East Brunswick was out main rival — I’m happy you have blown them out of the water. In any case, I just want to tip my hat you all of you!

  • Billiam

    So proud of you guys. Amazing job UChiLabs, as an alum from before you younglings even entered high school, it’s amazing to see the tradition still alive.

    Great job Dalton, WW-P South, Mira Costa and Port Charlotte, a resounding P5 that were the dominant schools even in my day.

  • Patrick

    I have to say that while I respect the idea behind doing a list like this, I don’t think that it is fair or realistic to try and rank schools in Model UN. Model UN is very decentralized in nature… almost every state has their own system of doing things. National conferences only reflect the quality of the schools that attend them, and there are many quality schools which simply do not have the time or finances to be able to go to one or more of these conferences. Region also plays a huge part in that… East Coast schools or California schools are given an inherent advantage in the access they have to major conferences.

    For example, in my home state of Colorado schools like Boulder High, Regis Jesuit, and others preform very well at in-state, and often go on to win awards at larger national conferences. But they live in Colorado, and don’t have access to multiple conferences, due to how far CO is from most major ones (the costs are just too high for travel). As a result they won’t be included on a list like this, despite being really high quality teams.

    I think it’s important for everyone reading this list to keep that in mind. Hats off to the teams on this list… they are obviously very good… but I think it’s a bit presumptuous to say they are the “best in America”.

    • KFC

      Hi Patrick,

      Model UN is very decentralized in nature, but we think that’s a detriment to the activity. It is our goal here at Best Delegate to centralize information and we felt confident we could do so with awards/standings after having visited 30+ conferences around the nation (and received awards info for many others). We looked at high school and college athletics as a model where teams may not play everyone in their league or state yet are still ranked in national polls.

      That said, I do agree with you that there are many schools that cannot attend the national conferences and therefore will not show up in these standings (or help boost the profile of their in-state peers who do attend national conferences). I’m glad you brought this up because at times it seems like the Top 25 schools wanted even more weighting for the conferences they attend, but I suspect many competitive teams that didn’t make this list because of the lack of opportunities would like to see their local conferences weighted as well. There’s some good discussion on this concern as well as proposed solutions to this on the Methodology comments thread.

      By the way, Boulder High is listed in our Top 50.

  • GREEN

    Im sorry, i have been in MUN for about 2 years, and i knew EVERY school who placed except mira costa. I do applaud you for your efforts, but Dalton is notorious for winning the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP! why aren’t they first? also, I went to NAIMUN, and when our leader and i counted the awards, PCHS beat chicago lab. just a littlle confused on how this happened

    • KFC

      Notoriety is relative in each region. I’m pretty sure most schools outside the East Coast have never heard of Dalton or most of the top 10 unless they’ve traveled to the East Coast to attend the same conference as them. We have a pretty solid grasp of the entire American circuit now that we’ve traveled to conferences across the country and have a combined 20 years of Model UN experience between Ryan and myself (the two who liveblog the most often). But even that doesn’t matter — our standings are based off numbers produced from a methodology, not by notoriety.

      I’m not sure about your NAIMUN situation but we are going with awards data that is reported to us.

  • Mr. Miyagi

    WWP South should be number one.

    • GREEN

      Dalton should of been first it was so obvious. WWPS is a great school don’t get me wrong. but not first place

  • south

    The top 3/5 public mun teams (WW-P south, Mira and Port Charlotte) all share something similar.

    The school colors or WW-P South are green and gold and the school mascot is the pirate
    The school mascot for Port Charlotte is the pirate
    The school colors for Mira Costa are Green and Gold

    • GREEN

      why do you know this?

  • anonymous

    dalton should be number one. they win best delegation over the best teams, having gone head-to-head with almost all of the teams in the top 10.

    • KFC

      I could see the argument of Dalton being #1 since they were undefeated and competed against many of the top teams. The reason our standings have Mira Costa at #1 are two-fold:

      1. Based off strength of awards won, Mira Costa had the higher overall score. The weightings for each award/conference is by size only in the current methodology, and there is good discussion on the Methodology page about changes that could be made to it. But given the current methodology, if you put the top four conferences that they attended head-to-head, Mira Costa clearly went to much larger conferences (and that translated to more competition in our current methodology). They won over many more teams, and I would argue that while these teams may not be ranked in the Top 25, they were still very competitive teams in California and the Midwest that were probably hurt in the methodology by the lack of access to major conferences.

      2. Conferences are not weighted by head-to-head competition or Top 10 attendance, etc. because we conducted these Standings reputation-blind when we started this project. Dalton competed against a lot of the Top 10 and won, and should get a boost if our methodology takes that into account in the future.

      I would also argue that Mira Costa chose to travel to major conferences — NHSMUN and MUNUC — on the reputation of those conferences not knowing who’d be in attendance — and shouldn’t be penalized because many of the Top 10 teams didn’t compete in those conferences this year (and aren’t willing to travel out to Berkeley BMUN). Those conferences are still very competitive and prestigious from our point of view as third party observers. Furthermore, arguments have been made by some of the readers that schools outside the East Coast are at an inherent disadvantage because they may compete against good schools that don’t bump up their profile because those schools have less opportunity to travel to these major East Coast conferences. I would argue that Mira Costa falls into this category.

      One last comment, and I don’t mean this to be a dig against anyone, but very few East Coast schools seem to be willing to travel outside the East Coast. That’s understandable because there are so many conferences available in the East Coast already, but that means they aren’t exposed to really good teams in other regions when they are at full-strength. Teams that travel outside their region will have a better understanding that there are a lot of good local teams, and they will also understand the financial and logistical challenges of traveling across the country — it’s very difficult to field a large, quality team when you have to travel and teams that stay on the East Coast have a “home-field advantage” at most of the national conferences. My point is that if you put yourself in the shoes of the teams outside the East Coast, you will gain a better appreciation for their accomplishments.

      • anonymous

        Although by no means arguing against the results, many schools, Dalton included, are restricted by their respective administrations to only attending a certain amount of conferences per year. Because of the cost of travel and the fact that in many of the most competitive teams on the east coast are clubs rather than classes, it is both irrational and incredibly inconvenient for them to travel outside the east coast. This is where i feel the argument that Dalton does not travel to some of the major conferences is weak, because, quite frankly, it is not allowed or prudent for them to.

      • Anonymous

        East Coast schools can’t always travel outside of the East Coast because of funding, my public school was not paying for 40 of us to go to Cali or Florida when we had great conferences within a 4-5 hour bus ride of our school- we were also limited int he number of conferences our administration would even allow us to go to. I get that they have a lot and travel more, but that doesn’t downplay the strength of East Coast teams. Teams shouldn’t get points for travelling or not traveling across the country…and I don’t think that an understanding of other local teams come solely from travelling outside of your own region. I chose to do model UN as a club, it wasn’t a class- I don’t feel that Dalton’s lack of travelling to the West Coast or “understanding local teams” is a particularly strong argument for their placement below Mira Costa. I also feel like NHSMUN was given a huge weight in rankings, which is essentially de-valuing conferences that aren’t “mega conferences,” which to me seems funny since one of the goals of BestDel is to centralize the circuit and to on some level unify all of us. How can you do that when your methodology seems to de-value small or regional conferences?

  • Luis

    Congratulations to all schools listed here — to rise to such a prominent position on the national circuit is no mean feat, and merits recognition.

    My students and I were particularly impressed by the nature of the ranking methodology — so kudos to the BestDelegate staff! I remember when this site was first launched — and, especially given the highly decentralized nature of MUN, the uniformity and transparency that went into these standings is representative of how far you have come as a business.

    — BestDelegate Reader

    • KFC

      Agreed! And thank you!

  • UN-UN

    For any SouthMUNers reading this, great work! You’ve come a long way and maintained an awesome tradition. There’s been a history of epic rivalries (North, EB, Horace Mann, and now Dalton) but I have a feeling that your experiences in committee and the bonds you make at these conferences (and with your own fellow pirates) will take you much further. Can’t wait to see where you go from here!

  • KFC

    We received a very well-written email about how Harvard HMUN and Georgetown NAIMUN are more competitive than conferences like NHSMUN and that therefore they should be weighted more heavily.

    I wanted to share my response:

    We don’t judge how conferences give awards. Every conference has a different philosophy and schools need to understand that they may need to do different things to win at each one. While we agree that Harvard and Georgetown require a very competitive skill-set to win, we also think a different set of skills are necessary to stand out at conferences like NHSMUN where the philosophy and style may be different. We don’t judge which skill set, philosophy, or awards system is better (at least not yet). We believe the best teams can adapt to both or will choose conferences that match their own philosophy — we have written several articles about this (archived under the “Strategy” tab).

    The standings produced Mira Costa at #1 given that we were unbiased for conference philosophy and that we used size as a primary metric. If bias was placed on conferences that value competition, then Dalton may get the edge there.

  • Northeastern Delegate

    Honestly dalton should be number one. The fact that Mira Costa has awards from all over the nation simply just shows that there administration was willing to let them travel. Dalton and others don’t have the freedom to travel the nation. So to use that as a basis for there number 1 spot is unfair to most of other schools in the nation, and does not truly represent a encompassing judgement of the other schools caliber.
    Also what is this “home court advantage”? I don’t see the advantage of attending a confrence that is in your own region (but may be hundreds of miles away as CMUNC was). Ultimately the great preformance of South Africa MUN at CMUNC seems to eliminate this notion that regionalisim may yield some sort of “benifit” or unfair advantage.
    Regardless, I would like to commend you for taking it upon yourself to compile this truly comprehensive (as overused it has become in mun these days) ranking system. I believe that it has truly shed some new insight into the MUN community.

    • KFC

      I don’t disagree with the argument that Dalton could be #1. Our methodology happened to produce Mira Costa as #1. Mira Costa’s ability to travel is just the story-telling — the way Mira Costa gained such a high score is because they attended and won at larger conferences compared to Dalton and again our methodology uses size of conference as a metric to determine competitiveness. Several readers have pointed out the flaws of only using size, and some have provided good suggestions on how to improve the accuracy of weighting exactly how competitive a conference is.

  • GREEN

    You never answered my previous question… I believe I deserve a responce

  • Muntastic

    Though I was once beaten by a Dalton delegate, I have to hand it to them; Dalton should be ranked #1. As it says in your post, they have gone undefeated for 21 conferences, and have consistently competed at the most competitive conferences in the world. They have won HMUN, widely recognized as the world’s most competitive conference, for five consecutive years. Mira Costa might be a good team, but all I ever hear from other delegates is how great Dalton is at MUN. I know — I lost to a gavel to a Dalton student, and I rarely lose! Regardless of the methodology you choose, I think it is ridiculous to deny Dalton the #1 spot. They are so clearly the best.

  • Rebecca R

    I am a proud Daltonian and a proud member of Dalton’s Model UN team. While I do believe that we deserve #1, I think it is basically impossible to judge Mira Costa against us. The methodology goes by the numbers, and that takes out the heart and soul of Model UN. I have never encountered a delegate from Mira Costa, so I am in no position to judge them by the rankings, but I don’t think the whole 1/2/3/4/5 thing works out too well.

    Also, from what I’ve noticed, Mira Costa’s Model UN team is much larger than ours. Considering that we are a private school that draws from a much smaller pool, it is hard to put us against a team that CAN field a much bigger delegation that can attend many more conferences. However, our success at HMUN(s) in the sheer percentage of delegates getting awards is a testament to our hard work. (I was actually sick for HMUN 2011 and could not go, which was really sad, because it would have been my last HMUN ever. I’m still really proud of us for doing really well!).

    Last point: did Port Charlotte LOSE a conference? That’s impressive.

  • Rebecca R

    Oh, and a post-script: I love and have done Model UN for many years, not because of the awards, but because it is such a great opportunity to learn and meet others. Sometimes I think that the awards really destroy a lot of the spirit of Model UN because some delegates are so competitive (I’m thinking of Port Charlotte, when they came to HMUN a few years ago). Their brains are in the hearts and issues of the conference, but their hearts are not. That being said, I’m probably one of the only Daltonians who would ever admit that…

    • Anonymous

      To answer your question, yes; Port Charlotte lost NAIMUN. They came in second to WWP South.
      I agree with you that they are overly competitive, but in their defense it’s not really their fault-it’s how their program has been run since its creation.

      • Anon

        Actually they came in second to Chicago Lab. WWP South was a small delegation

  • anonymous

    It seems a little peculiar how the argument for Mira Costa being the #1 is predicated on their win at NHSMUN. Four of the top seven schools (Dalton, WWP-South, Horace Mann, and Oceanside) all of which are located within 50 miles of NYC made the conscious decision to attend CMUNC, a conference with an attendance of less than 600 people, over NHSMUN. Clearly many top schools do not consider NHSMUN to be one of the premier conferences, so its high ranking seems misguided.

    Also, given how UChicago Lab brought so few delegates to HMUN, I think its unreasonable to give their performances that much weight. The fact that Horace Mann and Oceanside performed better at Harvard than UChicago awards wise is only exemplified by the fact that they brought large delegations. It is far easier for large clubs to select their top 20 delegates and perform at a higher standard. With a smaller delegation, school are able to select only their best delegates, rather than bringing underclassmen, as many large delegations do. I think UChicago Lab’s inability to dominate in their committees as a small delegation should have been reflected in the standings.

    Also of the schools ranked 4-7, the head-to-head match-ups seems to contradict the awards

    HM- 3-0 (beat Oceanside and UChicago Lab at HMUN, and Oceanside at CMUNC)
    Oceanside- 2-2 (won more awards than Port Charlotte at BUSUN, beat U Chicago at HMUN, lost to HM at HMUN and CMUNC)
    UC Lab- 1-2 (beat Port Charlotte at NAIMUN, lost to HM/Oceanside at HMUN
    Port Charlotte- 0-2 (lost to UC Lab at NAIMUN and Oceanside at BUSUN)

    • KFC

      As previously mentioned, our the methodology we picked used size as a primary metric in weighting conferences and NHSMUN with around 3,000 delegates was weighted heavier than most other conferences. While many teams chose not to attend NHSMUN, plenty of others did. In our attempt to be unbiased, we did not judge which conferences different schools chose and why. You could make the argument that they chose to attend CMUNC for a variety of reasons: that CMUNC is more competitive, that NHSMUN is too competitive, that NHSMUN gives awards in a style that they find unfavorable, that they’d rather have an overnight travel experience or visit an Ivy League college than commute in town (yes someone brought up that theory), etc. There are many ways to spin it and we’re not in the position to judge. We can only work with numbers.

      We also don’t have data on winning percentages for each club, so we can only go by total number of awards won which is data that we do have. I think the point you’re trying to make is that Chicago Lab is at a disadvantage for bringing a smaller team or only being able to bring a smaller team — and I personally agree — but there are some who disagree that “home field advantage” exists for more local schools (see comment by “Northeastern delegate”).

      The standings are produced by aggregate score of results to-date. Winning head-to-head against a school doesn’t make you the best team if the team can’t sustain a high level of performance throughout the season. We’re rewarding teams by absolute number and strength of victories. It’s just like in any sport — just because you beat a team head-to-head doesn’t mean you’re better if their overall record for the season is still better than yours.

      • Ally

        I think anoymous’ point regarding Chicago Lab is the opposite of what you took it to be. The school purposely brings less students than their rivals–only their more experienced delegates–so that they can amass a higher award-to-delegation size ratio. Thus, they might win a delegation award over a school that might have won the same exact number of awards and types of awards, but also brought more delegates to the conference as a learning experience. From the experience I personally have had with this school and from what I know other schools feel as well, Chicago Lab is intentionally cheating the system. Perhaps that’s why they lost out on the small delegation award at HMUN this year to the Canterbury School, despite having won more awards and brought the same number of delegates as they did in 2010 when they won the award…

        In addition, you can’t find fault with schools who don’t have as stellar looking awards records because they don’t have the funding or availability to attend as many lower ranked conferences as a say, a larger school with its very own parents association specifically for the model un club. They have to pick and choose what conferences and so can’t go to both RUMUN and PMUNC or HMUN and NAIMUN. Their school might only allow them to attend a certain number of conferences because the school can only cover financial aid for those students who need it if the school goes to say 3 or 4 conferences (you also utterly ignore socioeconomics in these rankings and I say this as a student who goes to a private school). Also, the administrations at academically challenging high schools are loathe to let their students attend a high number of conferences each year due to the classes, assignments, and other co-curricular or extra-curricular activities they’ll miss. At a less challenging school, a student’s missing classes might not be such a concern.

        I guess my greater point is that when you consider the countless factors this methodology (for all of its merits) neglects, perhaps it isn’t so ration to simply rank schools one by one in a list. Maybe you should have schools tie each other or create tiers and groups, but this current methodology is far too simplistic for the subjectivity and nuances in the relationships between competing schools.

        • KFC

          I agree with your second point and several readers have brought this up already. A reader named Rahul wrote a good suggestion on how to make it more fair for regional/smaller conferences (I believe his comment is in the Methodology page).

          You are right that our current methodology does not rate PROGRAMS but rather just on TEAMS where only performance is taken into account. Socioeconomic factors, challenges with the administration, etc. are not taken into account. Of course, we do not have complete stories from every school, and even if we did, it’d be a challenge to see how to factor that in. Rankings for athletics rank by performance — they don’t give special consideration because a team is wealthier or disadvantaged in some way. Then again, Model UN doesn’t have a cap on the number of conferences whereas in athletics, the equalizer is that everyone plays about the same number of games.

          Thank you for all your suggestions including (e.g. ties, tiers/groups).

        • anonymous

          I completely agree with Ally’s point about Chicago Lab. In fact, Chicago Lab used to compete as a Large Delegation at Harvard, but five years ago or so they decide they would prefer not competing in the same category as Dalton, Highland Park, Oceanside, and Horace Mann and rather brought a small delegation.

        • MR RM

          “From the experience I personally have had with this school and from what I know other schools feel as well, Chicago Lab is intentionally cheating the system.”

          This is a rather serious accusation. I am a delegate from Lab School so I thought I should respond to what several posters have been saying here. It is true that we used to consistently bring a Large Delegation to HMUN but have not done so for the three of the past four years (this year, 2011, excluded). Before each HMUN we’ve debated taking a Large Delegation each time, and in many cases decided against it by one vote. We are not gaming the system or cheating other delegations (or our own delegates, as was so absurdly suggested) out of their proper recognition. We graduated 12 seniors at the end of 2007 and since then we simply have not had enough quality delegates to compete well as a Large Delegation at the conference. We just haven’t had the numbers.
          In fact, we brought five freshmen to Harvard this year, almost a fourth of our delegation, and when we won Best Large at NAIMUN, we brought 6 freshmen and 8 sophomores, and only two seniors out of 25 total delegates. That time we gambled on bringing a lot of kids and it paid off for us. We clearly do not load up on only experienced delegates, as some other posters have said.
          When Harvard changed their award system this year, they also changed the cut-off between Large and Small delegation. We were in the Large Delegation category for the latest HMUN and finished 4th in total awards won and 3rd in awards per person. Under the new rules, we will be a Large Delegation for the forseable future, and we intend to compete as well as we possibly can.
          The fact that I have to defend my school like this on this forum is appalling. For delegates from other schools to publicly accuse me and my team of cheating is insulting beyond belief, especially when it pertains to internal decisions that each team makes, such as how many delegates to bring to a conference. That is the business of our executive board and nobody else.
          I do not mean to contribute to any resentment between different teams. Model UN is competitive, and that certainly breeds a little enmity between schools, but I hope we can talk civilly here, and all that I ask is that you evaluate my team fairly. Other schools have in fact gamed the system in various ways or seriously broken conferences rules multiple times, but I do not intend to assault their good name in this public forum. To accuse us of cheating when we we simply do not have enough delegates to compete for Best Large is not acceptable, but when all these teams meet at HMUN 2012, we will all be Large Delegations and all on the same footing.

          • KFC

            Thank you for this reply.

            I agree with your statements and I will be moderating all comments to ensure that they are respectful of all readers.

          • Wedler

            So I’m confused, how does Harvard work now?

            W

  • Nick b

    Dalton should be number 1. If we went head to head with Mira Costa, we would win. In every conference, we went against the top mun programs in the nation.

  • Ally

    Anonymous has a strong point regarding UC Lab’s policy of taking less delegates than other schools to top conferences like HMUN and NAIMUN. While doing so may allow them to raise their award-to-delegation size ratio, they do so at the expense of letting other students from their club attend these conferences. Rival schools, however, willingly choose to bring more younger delegates so that these students can gain experience from top conferences like HMUN. UC Lab’s policy seems to be motivated solely on their desire for delegation awards. While it is natural that all strong schools care about the importance of awards as a benchmark of their abilities as a delegation, they should not be preventing students from participating in top conferences to do so. Not only is this policy incredibly unfair to younger students from their own schools, but it also distorts the entire playing field of delegation awards and the notion of what a delegation award should stand for.

    Furthermore, the fact is that although this website does a fairly accurate job of centralizing model un data, its impossible to compare schools who have never faced each other, nor each other’s top competition. It would be one thing to compare Port Charlotte to schools from the Northeast like Oceanside, Dalton, and HM– despite Port Charlotte’s having last attended HMUN with these schools in 2008. In this case, both Port Charlotte and the Northeast schools competed against an mutual rival this year, UC Lab, at NAIMUN and HMUN respectively (although as I’ve mentioned before, your analysis of this school is fundamentally flawed). Yet to compare schools who not only haven’t faced each other, but haven’t even faced each other’s rivals is ludicrous. Model UN isn’t a mathematics competition; it’s subjective, and yet you fail to take the subtleties of individual results into account in these rankings. Perhaps you ought to consider having certain schools tie each other, or clustering top groups of schools together, rather than attempting to compile a simplistic ranking list.

    • KFC

      Thanks for the suggestions. Our line of thinking when we decided to go forward with this project is that almost every high school and college sport does standings and rankings in the same manner — teams may not necessarily play each other but they are still ranked. Head-to-head competition is not the only factor.

    • Anon

      Chicago Lab brought a large delegation to NAIMUN with only two seniors on it.
      Their delegation at Harvard was 1/4 freshman… that seems to be a lot of younger delegates to me. Chicago Lab is also a small school and it is hard for them to be allowed to bring the number of kids required for a large delegation to all conferences. Port Charlotte chooses what conferences to go to. They travel to the East Coast and choose to not attend Harvard (except in 2008, where they competed as a small delegation, may I add). Therefore, they are choosing to not compete against Dalton, Horace Mann and Oceanside.

  • Zander

    Yeh. In all honesty, it is an injustice that Dalton is not number 1, and the people that run this website know that is true. It’s simply not true that Mira Costa faced better competition this year. At so-called “smaller,” “less national competition” Dalton beat very, very good schools by the admission of these very rankings. At PMUNC five of the top ten teams were there when Dalton won best large delegation. In actuality that conference probably presented higher competition than both MUNUC and NHSMUN. Dalton won Best Large Delegations at HMUN, the toughest competition in the world (again even according to your methodology). That should speak for itself.

    This website’s argument is tantamount to arguing that the winner of the BCS championship game should serve second fiddle at the end of the year to the winner of the DI-A playoff because the DI-A champion won more games in the playoff. If a school wins at the toughest conference of the year and it consistently beats the best teams, that school should clearly be number one.Everyone knows that Dalton was the best this year (and that is coming from someone that attends a rival school).

    • KFC

      Hi Zander,

      I see your point in the first paragraph and several readers have brought this up already.

      I’m not sure if I buy the analogy though. My analogy would be that Mira Costa and Dalton (two undefeated teams that played different schedules) are both seeded to play in the hypothetical BCS Championship Game. HMUN wouldn’t be the BCS Championship Game.

      • Zander

        I apologize if my analogy came across as a little condescending. I did not mean to denigrate the incredible accomplishments of Mira Costa or then schools they compete against. My point is that I feel that judging conferences on basis of the quantity of delegations, rather than the quality of organization, debate, and the other delegations in attendance belies the premise behind this website. Conferences like CMUNC, BUSUN, CMMUNY, and conferences that seem to provide excellent experiences to their delegates, while (often intentionally) maintaining smaller size, are being shafted by the continued assertion that large conference size constitutes a “Most Competitive” environment.

        As a Horace Mann delegate, I have participating in ten conferences over the last three years when Dalton was in attendance and at only one conference did Dalton not win Best Large delegation or sweep awards by a considerable margin (they still won Best Large Delegation at ILMUNC 2009). To a certain degree, Dalton has been sitting on the top of the Model UN mountain for some time. Until someone actually beats them head-to-head, it seems hard to assert that they are not deserving of their position as the best school.

        That being said, Mira Costa and Dalton have had perfect records this year, so maybe it makes sense to make than co-number 1’s.

  • R. Timberlake

    Really grateful for the acknowledgement. This is a very tuff thing to do (ranking) and should help make MUN better. To be one of the best in the nation is something special. Like anything somewhat subjective, it is not perfect. All schools should be proud, more schools should work on being better and possibly more should want to join the MUN circuit. National rankings can be a great boon to MUN as a whole with in context. Perhaps inter gallactic championships are a bit out of line.

    Since 1992 we have tried to attend a variety of conferences all over the nation / world. Our school only travels 4 times a year, 2 national / international, 2 regional. Our administartion supports us for those times. Last year 09 -10 we went to Brown, NAIMUN, Cal, UCLA (local) and UC Davis. BTW we had a very good year and a temendous NAIMUN as the PRC in 2010. Many at NAIMUN remember us as Sao Tome in 2008 also. We do, however attend High School conferences that are very well ran by great So Cal programs, Cerritos, Edison, and Huntington Beach. In our program attendence is voluntary for local conferences, national and regional are by invitation only.

    The main thing for MUN is to teach young people about the world. Learning through realistic simulation and accurate portrayal of policy is the purpose of all this. Then comes speaking, team building, research, writting, economics,historical and current knowledge of the world et al. For what we do involves the lives of real people in real time. I doubt any other academic program (decathelon or forensics) can offer such a worldly / humanitarian experience IF done correctly. That would mean being in economic, political and cultural policy as the assigned nation. Something our program has worked on since day one. For to do less would be an insult to the people whose lives we discuss and represent. This is the true value because as we all know MUN can be such a huge asset at the next level and in life.

    Who knows maybe at some point one of the next great indiviuals / problem solvers of the world get their start because of MUN. Is that not what this should be all about ?

    BTW the advisors from the various schools should get together and ID the various conferences that we all consider to be professionally ran and worth the large sums of time and money we all invest to attend.

    Thanks again BD for this incredible ranking. Next year we will work to be just as strong.

    Respectfully to all W Knutson and R Timberlake advisors
    MCHS MUN

    • KFC

      Thank you for the comments and it’s great to see a teacher’s perspective on here. I wanted to point out one comment in particular that will be very useful going forward:

      “BTW the advisors from the various schools should get together and ID the various conferences that we all consider to be professionally ran and worth the large sums of time and money we all invest to attend.”

      We have received emails about how certain conferences shouldn’t be as highly weighted because some of the good schools are avoiding them for a variety of reasons. Instead of avoiding the conferences, I think teachers should be getting together to clearly communicate their feedback to the conferences so that the conference organizers can fix it.

      • Sam

        If schools are personally choosing certain conferences over others because the conferences that they choose, they feel, are more competitive (ie pickin CMUNC over NHSMUN as many of your top 10 schools did), then why should they stop this trend. Aren’t schools entitled to attend the conferences they want to. If a school would rather attend CMUNC over NHSMUN, then they shouldn’t be expected to work with NHSMUN until the conference improves when they have another opportunity already in place….

        • KFC

          Yes they are entitled to choose whatever conference they want to attend and there are a variety of reasonins for choosing a certain conference (some of which are mentioned under the “How to Strategically Select Conferences to Attend” article). I don’t think anyone here disagrees with you.

          My point is if a school doesn’t want to attend a conference next year that they had just recently went to, they should provide feedback to that conference so that the conference organizers know what to fix. And conference organizers need to listen to evaluation forms and feedback at advisors meetings — and act upon the issues.

  • J. Watanabe

    I first would like to extend my congratulations to ALL programs throughout the country who work hard to do well in the Model United Nations circuit. Your efforts have allowed MUN to progress and blossom into the type of program it is today. I also wanted to extend a congratulations out to Mr. Timberlake and Mira Costa who we have the honor of competing against at almost every conference we attend. Based on my experiences, your programs deserves such recognition and your delegates have been a model for the MUN community. I would also like to thank BD for taking on such an endeavor and helping push the MUN circuit and I hope that this pushes MUN in a positive direction.

    I would stray away from discussion of these rankings (not to take away from those recognized or from BD), as I feel there is no way to satisfy everyone and arguing the point will do nothing more than time that is better spent elsewhere. Rather, I hope that I can echo Mr. Timberlake’s point of making sure that we prepare our students to participate (I avoid the word compete) in MUN in the correct fashion.

    As a student, assistant moderator, director, Secretary-General, president, traveling team director, teacher, advisor, etc. within a few MUN programs and organizations over my 16 years, I have continued to strive towards trying to participate and encourage others to participate in MUN the way that it set up. While some argue that unfair rankings taking the “heart and soul” out of MUN, I feel that awards themselves can do that. While I know the awards serve as a great motivating factor for students and can be used to motivate students, in my current job of preparing students, I focus on the development of skills sets of my students so that they will be able to use them in life, as well as trying to get them to accurately and substantively represent the countries that we are assigned to the best of their abilities. To respectively represent their countries the way that they would be represented, not with a witty joke or something to catch the committees attention, but rather by taking the research and impressing others by the vast amount of knowledge a delegate can display within the period of a conference.

    Rather than worrying about these rankings and awards, programs should be working towards preparing themselves to make their committees the most substantive and professional as possible and if that can be accomplished, we can all leave as the top MUN programs in the country. While some of you may disagree, it’s something I try to instill in my students just prior to each conference and while not all of them get the message, I hope that my students leave there having learned the most they could have for their experience.

    I dream of an MUN conference where a student doesn’t have to worry as much about awards and are less concerned about back-stabbing someone to win the gavel, to take the research of another delegate, or to somehow eliminate someone from a caucus group and rather focus on honoring and respecting each other, learning from each other, and creating a bond that will ultimately lead to each student developing a skill set that will help them in the future, knowledge that push them towards the top, and friendships that can last. While we may still have those who do little in committee, who make a mockery of MUN in committees (and sometimes are recognized for it), or who do whatever it takes to win the best awards, hopefully we can begin to fine-tune MUN and build off of all those delegates who have taken MUN in the right direction, to have chairs who can effectively moderate an entire session and not leave delegates feel as if they had wasted their time preparing, and to provide experiences that students can gain from and use for the rest of their lives.

    While awards and these rankings do provide a basic measuring stick and will continue to provide motivation, let’s not forget that we are here to learn, to grow, and ultimate to prepare ourselves to make a difference in the world. In a world where, whether you won an award at a conference or not, will reward you if you come prepared with the great skills and positive experiences you gained from the beneficial committee experiences you had, whether a huge conference or simply a local one. While we will always strive to do our best to do the best at every conference, I will do my best to remind my students the main reason they are there and I hope that others will do the same.

    I hope that we can work together to push towards more efficiency in MUN and provide better quality conference experiences. I hope that, as Mr. Timberlake said, that we can come together and promote those conferences that do a good job of maintaining the values of MUN that would be worthwhile for our students in relation to time and money. I also hope that in the future, the advisors can also come together to try and make this experience for our students the best experience possible.

    Again, congratulations to all those involved in the entire MUN process. Without you, this experience would never have been available to me or the students who I currently have the honor of teaching.

    Sincerely and respectfully,
    Jason Watanabe
    Cerritos High School MUN

    • KFC

      This is very well-written. I encourage everyone to read this comment. Thank you, Jason.

  • Nick

    Proud Dalton alum here so take it as you will. It does seem hard to imagine a team that hasn’t lost since I was on it back in 06-08 not being the best in the nation, but any ranking system is going to have its subjective issues. I’ll take solace that if you were to rank the programs on a longer scale than a year, we’d have the crown hands down. I do hope that you take head to head match-ups more into consideration in the final rankings (not just because it would help us) but because the size of conference seems much less important than the quality of opponent one faces there. Anyone who’s been on a giant GA committee where 9/10ths or more of the room have no interest in what’s going on knows what I mean.

  • Nick

    One other thing:a lot of people don’t know it, but Dalton’s program is run entirely by students. There’s no class, no coach, and the only role faculty play is to chaperone the conference trips. Not that it should have any affect on the rankings (and I know it’s true of other schools, Horace Mann being one), but to maintain a program that hasn’t lost in 5 straight years of the highest level of competition with a constantly overturning leadership is pretty impressive.

  • AAF

    KFC

    PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not allow this forum to descend into petty character assassination and rumor-mongering. I have to respond to Rebecca from Dalton’s claims about Port Charlotte delegates who attended the Harvard in 2008 (as well as current team members).

    I am amazed that Rebecca would assume to know the “hearts” of other people, as she presumes to do in her comments about PCHS above. I offer her quote:

    “(I’m thinking of Port Charlotte, when they came to HMUN a few years ago).
    Their brains are in the hearts and issues of the conference, but their hearts
    are not. That being said, I’m probably one of the only Daltonians who would ever
    admit that…”

    I hope other Dalton delegates would not stoop to such attempted and simply absurd, unsubstantiated and inaccurate character assassination. Let me clarify with some tangible descriptions of ACTUAL actions that really provide tangible evidence of where the hearts of those PCHS delegates who performed in exemplary fashion at Harvard in 2008 really rest.

    #1 For the past fifteen years PCHS MUN delegates have been operating an International Market. They import arts and crafts created by indigenous artisans from throughout the developing world. In that time they have raised over $200,000 dollars to support development issues in more than 40 countries. $200,000 !

    #2 PCHS MUN delegates have been active for the last six years in promoting ShelterBox International. PCHS MUN delegates have made presentations to nearly 100 other schools and community organizations to raise awareness of the need for rapid assistance in disaster areas. PCHS delegates have raised thousands of dollars to purchase Shelter Boxes that have been shipped to disaster areas around the world.

    #3 PCHS MUN delegates after a summer trip to South Africa where they visited a rural school that had no electricity or technology. Upon returning to PCHS these delegates created a video and ran a fundraising effort that collected thousands of dollars that they sent to the school—ENABLING the school to gain access to electricity and to purchase their first TV, video recored and fax machine.

    # 4 PCHSMUN delegates have run a summer camp for elementary school students that introduced them to global issues and raised awareness. Together the PCHS delegates and their elementary students raised over $5000 dollars and purchased a herd of economically beneficial animals for distribution to villages in Africa.

    # 5 Just last year PCHS MUN delegates purchased a new technology for purifying water that is providing clean water to an entire village in Bangledesh.

    # 6 Six years ago PCHS MUN delegates introduced our school to The Nothing But Nets NGO. We have an annual Nothing But Nets faculty vs seniors basketball game that has raised thousands of dollars that purchase mosquito nets to protect Africans from getting malaria.

    So I would argue that because PCHS MUN delegates clearly have such a proven and deep concern for people who struggle throughout the world, our passion for these issues is the driving force that energizes our delegates rather than a simple desire for awards as Rebecca insinuates.

    Again, let’s please not allow this fantastic site to become a dump for erroneous opinions stated as fact. Hurtful, derogatory and ridiculous claims can be made about any and every school who participates in Model UN. All it takes is someone willing to write them.

    We have always been impressed by the quality of so many of the delegates from all of the top schools highlighted on Best Delegate, including from the Dalton School.

    • KFC

      Thank you — I will moderated comments to ensure that they are respectful of readers.

      Also, all the work that you’ve mentioned at PCHS is very impressive. We would love to have you do a write-up of it and we can post it on Best Delegate as an article. Our motto in our “About” page states that “Delegates make a difference” and we would love to publicize these real-life efforts of making a difference in the world.

      Winning awards is only one aspect of Model UN. The real value is in what you learned along the way and got out of it.

  • Alex N.

    It has been stated in these comments that schools are un-Mun-like, or manipulative, or aggressive, or what have the author. I am not familiar with the administrative structures or teaching methods of any of the above schools but Lab, for which I am a delegate, and I presume the same goes for most others. That being said, MUN is a competition, and the desire to win is not un-MUN-like, and the Port Charlotte delegates I have encountered have been nothing but diplomatic and genuine (in so much as any simulation is genuine). The same goes for Thomas Jefferson, or Dalton, or, most recently for me at Harvard, HM. I do mostly cabinets, so I have a close environment in which to work with these schools, and I can say that non are meaner or more manipulative that the others, or myself. To assert so is to move beyond diplomacy, the essential point of MUN and to create conflict rather than strive for self-improvement. I failed to place once, and have never done so since because of the drive inspired by delegates from these schools. All of them, including Lab, are MUN titans (though I’ve not encountered Mira Costa I take it on faith), and I am proud to have competed for and against them, and a better person for it. To suggest otherwise, no matter at whom the tongue is aimed, is a lie, and a delusional one at that.

    BTW: The Harvard rankings, to my knowledge, did not take wins per delegate into account, so delegation size should be statistically irrelevant.

    • Alex N.

      I forgot a “,” after “the essential point of MUN”. My B.

      • Alex N.

        And Lab is also student run.

  • R. Timberlake

    Great comments from J Watanbe. Cerritos has always been a class act, Jason and Bill run a class program of the highest caliber. A program that truly has promoted their students to the next level and also supported numerous efforts from many non profits / NGO’s along the lines of heifer project / samburu to name a few. We also agree that awards get out of balance. Thus when we have attend conferences in Berlin et al, the lack of awards never really made a difference. The experience is what we truly enjoyed. When a 1000 plus kids attend a conference and only a smattering of awards are provided it looks very petty if not indifferent to those who in most cases work so hard. Short institutional memory hurts consistency in any conference at all levels. Another thing advisors should discuss.

    Advisor thoughts: MUN in the 21st century ….. the lack of technology in MUN is sad. Wifi, txting, downloading / uploading all conference info, using plagarism websites to ensure original position papers (we have also caught many conferences plagarising topic synopsis) and resolutions (cant pre write if working papers are submitted for plagarism ck) using dockets more (old school). With smart phones that nearly all hv let alone lap tops we are being left behind and ignoring what could be a great asset.

    Lastly, to PCHS great to now know you guys have done so much. So many of us do so many things yet one would never know. Keep up the great job in and out of committee. Our very best

    Thanks again to BD for being the ones to start us all talking and making MUN better

    Wayne & Bob
    MCHS MUN

  • Bob Johnson

    Wow, I am a little taken aback by some of the discussion above. I see that a PCHS delegate did respond to some inexplicable “charges.” I too trust that KFC will not allow such attacks on any school or individual in the future. There could be so much positive dialog generated herein.

    Though I do not know Mr. Timberlake personally, I have GREAT respect for his program at Mira Costa. We (PCHS) have had the genuine pleasure of being at different conferences with Mira Costa over the years and the experience has been a pleasure on many levels. His delegates are always consummately prepared, professional, knowledgeable, and engaged. Our delegates have no choice but to be at the top of their game if they hope to measure up to the Mira Costa delegates. I’ve always believed that there has been healthy and spirited competition between our teams when we have met. This has helped us at PCHS to become a more highly performing team.

    The same goes for a significant number of other top performing schools (including the top twenty-five and beyond). It is always exciting for my students to know they will be in committee and intensely engaged with some of the most articulate, well prepared, dynamic young men and women in the entire country. It is inspiring.

    On a different note, I absolutely agree with Mr. Timberlake that this site could be a catalyst for positive reform throughout the MUN circuit. There are certainly many issues that could use some attention.

    And his comments concerning technology are SPOT ON. If we engage in such constructive dialog then perhaps the different university entities that run the conferences will take note and actually address some of our concerns.

    For instance, why don’t members of the dais at every conference circulate throughout their committees to consistently observe unmoderated deliberations and consensus-building?

    Why at some conferences are we told that laptops will not be permitted, yet when we arrive in committee the no laptop policy is ignored and some delegates are freely using them?

    These are just two relatively simple questions for conference secretariats to possible think seriously about. If they are paying attention to Best Delegate ( and I expect they are) then we might be able to generate some reform.

    And, Mr. Timberlake is right yet again, so many Model UN students are doing remarkable things that relate directly to the desired Model UN consciousness that most coaches hope to see develop. This website could be a place to celebrate those activities as well.

    Finally, more praise to Best Delegate for being truly visionary in this endeavor. Keep up the good work. After all, we are all in this together.

    Bob Johnson
    PCHS MUN

  • Wedler

    Geeze, what is anonymous talking about concerning PCHS “losing” at Brown? Losing what. there were no Delegation Awards at Brown. No ranking system existed. The team took a bunch of new freshmen and new sophomores to Brown. Only two seniors went a a few top delegates stayed home. For PCHS Brown was a chance to give all these young delegates a taste of a large conference and they didn’t have any pressure to do anything but learn. And still half the team were recognized with awards. So when a team goes to a conference without delegation awards with the purpose of giving our young kids a cool first experience and somehow someone like anonymous decides based on some bogus measurement that the team somehow “lost” something, well that is just kind of illogical thinking.

  • anonymous

    A lot of the attacks and accusations against some schools’ mun programs are really disturbing. Having faced most of these teams at various different conferences, I can understand how some delegates feel others are too competitive. Many delegates from these top schools, not just any single school, focus way too much on awards and are willing to play dirty to get them. It’s honestly sad because MUN shouldn’t spark so much hostility between people. That being said, I would like to commend both West Windsor-Plainsboro schools for having great programs and excellent delegates who are truly diplomatic because they love MUN and aren’t only trying to win awards.

  • Sara

    I definitely agree with what a faculty advisor posted regarding prewritten resolutions. It’s really sad some schools are so competitive regarding awards, which as many posters have mentioned should only be one aspect of the model un experience, that they would stoop to cheat the rules of the conference and gain an advantage over their fellow delegates. Model UN, and resolution writing in particular, is meant to be a collaborative process. We as delegates should be writing resolutions together, building off of each others ideas, and compromising our policies to create a document that reflects what we’ve experienced, said, and heard in committee.

    With that in mind, its shocking that some schools write resolutions in advance and then tweak them just a little before gaining cosponsors and submitting the resolution to the dais. From what I’ve heard from other schools at conferences since, apparently one top ranked school was seen by other delegations in the airport before HMUN typing out their working papers in advance. Other schools are known to write such detailed bullet point outlines, with subclauses and all, that they can convert them into resolution format in a snap. The act of prewriting resolutions is an insult to the hard work of the vast majority of MUNers who put time and thought into collaborating with their peers and responding to the environment of their committee during the conference. Cheating in model un goes against the entire ethos of what model un should stand for, as reflected by the good works of PCHS, MCHS and other schools posted here. I hope that the model un community as whole can put a stop to these wrongdoings in the interest of fair competition, and more importantly, sound morality.

  • KFC
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  • R. Timberlake

    Kind of Mr Johnson to give the shout out. We too enjoy being in the same conferences with PCHS. They know their “stuff” are truly professional, well versed and come to do their best EVERYTIME we have had the pleasure to be at the same conference. Plus they go so many places nationally. Love to see you guys at Cal next year. They are truly a top notch delegation and once again their NGO / non profit work should be an inspiration to us all on being a 360 degree program. Go Pirates !!!

    I agree with observations about chairs, laptops et al. Hopefully more will join in. These should be addressed. In truth we hope that the schools know we can all vote for or against conferences with our travel plans and dollars. Putting on a great conference means many things. I will contact BD to see if we can get an advisor blog up and going and lay some ground work.

    Bob lets talk ?! We will contact you

    Best to all who take do this for so many of the right reasons

    Wyane Knutson and Bob Timberlake

  • anonymous

    As a staff member of MUNUC who competed in high school, many of the chairs and organizers of conferences would like to comment on the discussion about the running of conferences. At MUNUC we have a very strict no laptops or other forms of electronics policy. Further MUNUC is a primarily pedagogical conference and as a result do not award team awards. Further our award policy stresses holistic evaluation of the delegate. We believe that these policies allow our conference to focus less on the competitive nature of MUN and more on MUN as a learning tool. In respects to pre-written resolution, everyone agrees this is a major problem that requires consideration from all the major conferences. We believe that the resolution is a work of the body that cannot be written by any single delegate, either prior to conference or at the conference itself.The ability for a committee a concrete, workable, and dynamic resolution is the end goal of every chair. We hope that advisers will come to the conclusion that these conferences serve not only as a competitive contest but also a teaching tool for their students.

    • anonymous 2

      I think that the VAST majority of advisers of “competitive” type teams are well aware that MUN is an incredible teaching tool. It is by FAR the MOST important component. Your insinuation that advisers “will come to the conclusion” insinuates that they are somehow oblivious to the deep learning that MUN generates. The comment SEEMS somewhat condescending. Quite frankly I don’t believe that any adviser who does not realize the teaching potential of MUN would never be able to field a competent team anyhow.

      And let’s be honest. I have seen rampant use of electronic devices in committees at MUNUC in the past. Especially in the rowdy areas in the back of the rooms; rampant. And no one from the staff was saying a thing, and staff was not doing anything to control the general behavior of these disrespectful “delegates.” The advisers themselves should police such things, but in lieu of that, why don’t you just throw them out of committee?

      Do you actually believe that presenting individual committee awards but not school or delegation awards really lessens the competitiveness in committees?

      • anonymous 3

        your insinuation insinuates? really? also your comment implies that it is advisors (not advisers) who are responsible for the success of a competitive team, when countless top delegations are student run.

        • anonymous 2

          Instead of being petty, perhaps you should read the comment that was actually being referred to.It concerned advisors, not students. But thanks for your gracious corrections.

  • anonymous 2

    above comment should read: The comment SEEMS somewhat condescending. Quite frankly I don’t believe that any adviser who does not realize the teaching potential of MUN would EVER be able to field a competent team anyhow.

  • R. Timberlake

    Sara good points !!

    The 21 st century beckons and not to use what it offers is a deficit to what we try and do properly. Despite the pre written issues once again easily solved with plaigarism checks. The saddest frustration is the lack of chairs to know policy amongst the various nations. We think delegates hope for 3 things, a chair that can run committee / many are overwhelmed: a chair that calls on delegates equitably many do not and some are gratuitous alummni: then sadly delegates hope chairs know something about the topic, often high school delegates know so much more. The good ones not only have to inform the committee of the latest realistic solutions BUT also the chairs. As mentioned we google check topic synopsis’ and always catch several “reworked” presentaions. Sometimes google is all it takes

    Advisor wise yes unruly deleagtes should be pulled from committee and the advisor should be called to make sure they are never to return. Rare does this happen

  • Nick Barber

    This is the real Nick Barber from Dalton. Someone is impersonating Dalton students, and the comment above by “Nick b” and “Rebecca R,” even though they claim to be dalton delegates are not. Sorry for any inconvenience, and I hope whoever is making up comments will stop. Thanks, Nick.

  • Matt Fox

    Guys I think we should all acknowledge that Dalton is the best. year after year, we get beaten by them along with many other schools. This is not just this year virtually the past 5 years. They attend and win at the best conferences.

  • Anon

    LOL @ the Dalton/Hmann kids impersonating each other.

  • Anonymous

    Fun fact: Port Charlotte lost to Gulf Coast at GatorMUN.

    • Wedler

      Wedler

      It is no surprise that someone keeps posting information out of context and full of opinions staated like a fact. Clearly you have a grudge against PCHS for some reason. PCHS sent only some of its freshmen and brand new sophomeore delegates to GATORMUN. PCHS considers GATORMUN a training conference for new delegates. Not one of the team’s 27 top delegates attended GATORMUN. They were all preparing for NAIMUN. So yet again someone thinks they know what the PCHS team is doing and that they can speak for PCHS. Why not just knock off the attempt to belittle a very successful team. Check your facts. Your behavior is so undiplomatic and juvenile. Raise your game.

      W

    • Wedler

      Oh, I’m sorry Anonymous, I failed to provide you with a couple of even more important facts:

      #1 When Port Charlotte did have its top delegates competing against Gulf Coast’s top delegate at Georgia Tech in October, it was PORT CHARLOTTE that won the Burdell Cup as THE BEST DELEGATION.

      #2 Again, at Florida Gulf Coast in March, when the regular Port Charlotte team met Gulf Coast’s top team it was PCHS that won THE BEST DELEGATION AWARD again (Called the Outstanding Delegation Award at this conference.). These results actually happen to be factual information, and in context, without trying to mislead readers by conveniently leaving out some pretty essential information.

      W

  • President Josh

    in anonymous’ defense, i happen to know a few interesting (although arguably irrelavent) facts myself:

    1. this was gc’s first year as a travelling team. It had about 7 out of 40 delegates who had actually been to conferences before.
    2. at georgia tech, they brought a team of around 30 delegates, 23 of whom had never been to a conference, and still took home second place. not bad when pitted against a team who’s been established for about twenty years.
    3. gulf coast won the same number of first place awards at NAIMUN as port charlotte.
    4. port charlotte’s website recaps every single conference…except GatorMUN.
    5. saying that port charlotte’s top delegates didn’t go to GatorMUN is not a fact, since several of them went to both.
    6. at FGCU, port charlotte beat gulf coast by one 2nd-place award. USA (Gulf Coast), had three 3rd places and three 1st places. Iran (Port Charlotte) had three 3rds, three 1st places, and a 2nd.

    • Anon

      hahaaha. about PCHS website. I have full respect for the program except for their website where they only include conferences they won (except for NAIMUN, where they make it sound like they won).

      I would like to reiterate the statements made by Ashley below that this website should probably be monitored. Many of the statements are incredibly offensive and ignorant and should not be allowed.

  • Wedler

    Glad you’re the President of PCHS MUN, Josh and can clear this up. Oh wait, you’re not the President of PCHS MUN. No one was taking anything away from Gulf Coast, nothing, because the Gulf Coast kids are dedicated to making their program excellent. That is awesome. But again you speak for PCHS as though you know who all of their delegates are etc. Two kids at Gatormun ended up going to Georgetown because a couple of vets had to drop out last minute. And I think you better recheck the NAIMUN awards list because you are misleading by ONLY listing 1st place awards and failing to account for ALL of the other recognitions PCHS received. So, has actually been people from GC attacking PCHS on this blog? If so that would be sad because the PCHS kids really like the G kids and have tried to help them in a number of ways. I just hope this stuff ends.

    W

  • Ashley I.

    I don’t know who is pretending to be Josh, but this GC-PC drama is uncalled for. I know for a fact that that is NOT Josh.

    I am President of GCHS MUN, and I happen to know our entire team respects and looks up to the Port Charlotte delegates. As has been mentioned, we are a newly-established team, and as aforementioned, Port Charlotte’s advisor has been very kind to us in helping us with picking conferences for next year.

    Personally, I’ve always found PC delegates to be very nice, not “cutthroat”, and always a pleasure to be with in committee. I and many other GCHS delegates have actually made friends on the PCHS team. We apologize for the actions and misunderstandings above; please do not think this is representative of the Gulf Coast team.

    -Ashley Inman

  • Ashley I.

    Also, I (and I’m sure many other teams, delegates, and coaches as well) would be very appreciative if the moderators of Best Delegate would not approve further comments like the ones above.
    Model U.N. is supposed to be about making collaborative solutions, connections, and diplomatic relations; the back-and-forth that has happened on this entire board does not display the qualities that MUNers should.

    Thank you in advance! And again, we apologize for any misunderstandings.

    -Ashley Inman
    GCHS Model UN

    • KFC

      Thank you.

      To all readers: please make comments as yourself.

    • Robert Johnson

      I have no doubt that this is indeed a message from the real Ashley Inman. I am the advisor for the PCHS MUN team, and am very familiar with Ashley, knowing her to be not only an absolutely outstanding delegate, but also a very professional and respectful young woman. I applaud Ashley for taking a stand here and espousing the values that Model UN really stands for. Trust me, Ashley, the PCHS team members that I heard from refused to actually believe that the remarks came from anyone at Gulf Coast. Let’s hope Best Delegate takes care of the problem, because it is so counter productive, when this site has such great potential to be a positive voice in the MUN world. Good for you Ashley!

  • Matt Fox

    “I’d just like to stress the idea of pragmatism” buttons up suit.

  • Ashley I.

    Thank you very much for the compliments, Mr. Johnson! It truly means a lot coming from such an experienced coach.
    I’m very glad to hear that PCHS didn’t let those remarks reflect on the Gulf Coast team; as aforementioned, we really do like PC. I know you’ve said you might not come to Georgia Tech and SWFL, but I personally (and I’m sure the rest of our team) really hope you decide to!

    -Ashley Inman

  • John

    I am pretty sure that Huntington Beach destroys at every conference and has beaten Mira Costa in delegation and gavel awards … but that’s okay. I don’t hate on you guys for ranking them first. I just think you’re seriously mistaken and need to check yourselves. And btw, I am not from Huntington so don’t say I feel this way because I’m not first.

  • Terry Watkins

    What about Huntington Beach HIgh School? They dominate every conference they go to. Their program is world renown from California and Rhode Island, to the Netherlands and Germany. I think that they should be first. I’ve never been to a conference where they don’t dominate Mira Costa. It’s okay, the MUN world is just jealous. Their results speak for themselves.

  • Anon

    correct me if i’m wrong, but huntington beach tied with mira costa at berkeley.

    Wasn’t huntington beach at naimun, where they lost to uchicago lab and port charlotte?

  • anonymous

    Huntington Beach High School competed against Mira Costa this weekend and won best large delegation over them. They had more gavels and overall awards, even with less people. The only reason one of them gaveled was because their chair went to Mira Costa and one of the delegates. My partner and I were extremely confused why the partnership that won did, and afterwards, everybody from our committee, including the other delegates from Mira Costa, told us that we deserved to win. Our co-chair did not even remember what country the delegates that won were from.

  • ModelUN12

    Consistent bickering over which school is better is tiring. This resource is obviously a standing of which schools are best in the nation according to the Best Delegate criteria, not a list to argue over. Please retain your composure delegates and allow this list to become simply as motivation to work harder and achieve excellence! Good Luck to All schools!
    -MUNfanaticxoxoxo

  • R Timberlake

    Really appreciate the comments above. Sorry our 60% freshmen squad did not impress at UCSD. You can bet we will work on this. I am also glad to relay all sentiments of the above HB delegates to the rest of my team. We wish you the best. See ya next year. With Pacific Coast, So Cal pride

    Robert Timberlake
    MCHS MUN
    Co Advisor

  • Anonymous

    Mira Costa is amazing! The staff that trains these students surley know what they are doing. Keep it up Costa!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000211364227 Johnny Apple Seed

    Mira costa is full of shit because they eat shit and are stupid and all they do is fucking talk louder than everybody else and bribe the chairs. they have dumb solutions and don’t do real research and always use the same solutions becaus thy fucking suck.

    fuck mira costa schools taht can actualy research should be at the top like cerritos. I bet this was written by ppl from mira costa anyways.

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  • Ashley Carrillo

    False information for the Dalton School at UNA-USA. Clark High School (San Antonio) won Best Large Delegation at UNA-USA

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=2505945 Kevin Felix Chan

      Hi Ashley,
      This ranking was made in March 2011. Dalton won Best Large Delegation at UNA-USA MUN the year before which was in May 2010. Clark won it in May 2011.

  • Cody Gibbons

    My High School team would wipe the floor with Mira Costa. We compete at the Collegiate NMUN every year while winning awards against French political science schools and other renowned institutions.We constantly wipe the floor at all state competition in Arizona and still maintain precedence at National Collegiate conferences such as MUN Far West and UCLAMUN. http://www.mpsaz.org/mtnview/activities/classroom_groups/model_un/

  • pajriiiin

    what an amazing University of Chicago Lab School!
    I think they have good teamwork, so that they are won major delegation awards, keep spirit Chicago!

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